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France is the place where for decades you weren't supposed to talk about someone's blackness, unless you said it in English. Today, we're going to meet the people who took a very French approach to change that.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

For close to a year, Talia Lavin went undercover in white supremacist online communities, creating fake personas that would gain her access to the dark reaches of the internet normally off-limits to her, a Jewish woman. That research laid the groundwork for her book, Culture Warlords: My Journey Into the Dark Web of White Supremacy. Lavin talks to It's Been A Minute host Sam Sanders about what it was like to infiltrate those online spaces, what she learned, and how white supremacy cannot exist without anti-Semitism.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

What can a young refugee who's survived a war teach a novelist about writing young adult adventure?Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy